Welcome to GRUNTSandCo!

Posted on: October 16th, 2013 by Will Rodriguez 113 Comments

Hello!

Grunts & Co is about the Infantry, those subjects of interest to infantrymen and those that have an interest in either.   Grunts & Co is about commemorating and celebrating “Grunts” and company.  It’s also about those serious issues that impact them and our great country.  We welcome everyone. 

I believe a hole exists in regards to what the Infantry has brought, brings and will bring to the fight as well as those that are in his close company in the fight.  Infantrymen despite the hard veneer have a soft spot and grudging respect for medics, combat engineers, K9 and the multitude of others that often pull our fat out of the fire including but not limited to tankers, cannon cockers and aviators of every flavor.   Grunts & Co is going to try and plug it. 

Contrary to popular belief grunts do some serious thinking characterized by blunt honesty.  We are allergic to PC.  This is not a political site but we’ll discuss foreign policy and political decisions because when deployed we are America’s “Diplomats of last resort” and live the policy decisions made at home. 

So welcome!  Look around.  Take off your brain bucket, drop your body armor and cop a squat.  Read an article (yes, grunts can read, we can write to!), share your experience, perspective, thoughts or ask a question.  We’ll all walk away a bit better prepared for that next firefight (at least mentally).

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Be Respectful, Candid and Pertinent. No Posers, No Trolls…
  • derekg

    Well this place looks comfy and rad! I think ill watch this space, Major.

  • Txazz

    Time to celebrate “Grunts”.  Wishing you well on your breakthrough blog.  Expect to see great things!

  • ArcticWarrior

    In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth and the Infantry. And God looked upon the Infantry, saw that it was good, and said unto them “Thou art my chosen children. Take thou dominion over the Earth; over the fish of the Sea, the birds of the Air, and all of the Key Terrain.”

  • LauraKinCA

    ArcticWarrior  Nice 🙂

  • ArcticWarrior LOVE that stuff.   Will be creating an Infantry section with stuff like that, Murphy’s Laws, Infantry history, culture, organization etc.

  • Tango9

    Hey brother!  Love the site!  I’ll lurk.

  • Tango9 Heck no, love to have you on board.  Long time no see.  You’ve been missed.

  • Recon6

    Congratulations Major !!  Knew you would have this up and running and been looking forward to your Blog.  Charlie Mike, great stuff….6

  • clluelo

    Will I am so impressed and pleased to follow your blog. You have some great people on the site!!
    I look forward to reading the exceptional articles you will post

  • clluelo

    Tango9  Hey !!

  • Tango9

    majrod Tango9 Good to see you too.  Looks like you’re up and running with a great place.  I’ll try to keep my tongue out of the light sockets. 
    Really like the look & feel of it.  Well done.

  • oldSquid(Mafia)

    Good job, Will. Glad you’re up and running! Got this tagged so I can quick access it.. Look forwrd to keeping up with this site!

  • Ed Swaner

    Looking forward to more great stuff, Will!

  • YankeePapa

    Will,
    … Looks like many of the “usual suspects” are here.  Think I’ll pull up a bayonet and make myself at home…
    YP

  • YankeePapa By all means, I saved you a recliner!

  • oldSquid(Mafia)

    Tango9 Tango 9! Good to see ya, Bro-… read down, you’ve been missed! Don’t lurk…we all enjoy your pithy (and no, I don’t have a lisp) comments!

  • 5000area375

    Great work. I think I will do a rucksack flop. Guess I will have another site for daily visits to keep up to date.

  • ArcticWarrior

    majrod ArcticWarrior Lol..Infantry Culture. Like when we would tell new E3s on there 1st winter jump to double check that the valve on their bunnies was set correctly otherwise when the doors open the pressure differential would cause the boots to explode taking said feet with them…. of course it was always just the last jump that it happened to some poor kid.

  • shagstar

    it’s about time Will,,,looks like a great place MAJ.

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior majrod  LOL, only Grunts understand that ‘sense of Humor’ good stuff AW…6

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior majrod 6 what did you guys do to the newbs?

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 majrod  Not much bro.  I mentioned in a comment waaay back that we were Ignored to the Max.  The old wait until a guy had been around long enough to be sure he was going to be around syndrome.
    No one would talk to me except to explain ‘basic’ mission.  I observed how they straightened pins on grenades ( I Thought) then taped the handles down.  Well I did the same.  Walking a mission the TL stopped us.  Came to me and pointed to my grenade, hanging by the PIN!!  Each step would slowly pull the PIN out!! 
    Showed me How to do it properly.  When we returned to the Firebase everyone talked about what Could have happened and decided for future ops the ‘old guys’ would work with the Cherries to be better prepared for missions.
    Classic example of ‘leadership’ not attending to the basics simply because a Troop ‘might’ not last too long.  It was rectified most riki tik, fortunately….6

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior majrod I think in any small unit element/detachment you get the ignored thing where the more experienced guys don’t talk to you until they know you. With the attrition rate you guys had I can totally see that being reality. See the Pin story is funny thankfully nothing bad happened.
    Truly evil stuff, like if a guy was a complete dickhead, you would salute him sarcastically anytime he talked or when his back was turned. I’ve seen that. Small units can have serious drama if all the pieces don’t fit. But usually its a self sorting thing.
    One guy Tony wouldn’t take a leak laying down or kneeling. It didn’t matter how tense a situation was guy had to stand up and pee at some point, completely refusing to acknowledge the danger factor and lead flying, damndest thing.

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 majrod  LOL, how the hell did Tony go on ambushes?
    I recall missions when we wouldn’t move at all, and others where it was only ‘yards’ during the day.  Sometimes you couldn’t Move period.  And this was the jungle.  Y’all were visible for miles!!!
    RR on the small Team aspect.  Guys would move around until just the ‘right’ make up was created.  btw the TL on my grenade incident became a good friend and taught me a shit load of operational goodies.  Made damn sure it Never happened to another cherry, but I felt like a complete Idiot, lol.  Damn grenade dangling down around my ‘nads by the pin, lmao.  WOW….6

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior majrod Grenade at the nads, LOL +1000.
    Tony would hold it for the most part until clear, he never compromised a hide. but it was the damndest thing to see him taking a leak like that standing up. I leaked my stalk suit more then once. And better yet, never washed it!

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 majrod  LOL, “and never washed it” !!
    You cannot imagine how we reeked after many days in the bush.  Saving factor was we All smelled same same 🙂
    We were at least able to roll over (most times) and piss out.  Standing up would have been an Ender, lol.  Not an option.  Hell, had a good bro moved out because he could not stop snoring!  I tried  nudging him since I seldom slept, to keep him awake, but finally had to let him go…too much damn noise….6

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior majrod LOl…yeah that suit never saw soap! top or bottom!, some water, air dry it and roll it in the dirt again, good as new.
    Amazing how you can smell how perfumey deodorant smells after you haven’t had any in 3-5 days ( usually the S shop people, smelled like perfume, us more like goats) When your own smell annoys you,
    you know its right where it needs to be.
    Snoring and sleep walking instant bolo out.

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 majrod  LOL, exactly.  One reason I remained in the bush was the way I smelled.  The ‘grotier’ my Tigers were the more concealed I felt.  Never wear anything ‘clean’.  Like you did, grime em up, piss on em etc. Then they were ready to be worn outside the wire.
    Mine would ‘stand up’ on their own, lol.  REMF’s never like it when we came in as the odor would surround us and they avoided us like lepers, lol.
    Fuck em, they stole our SP packs and beer and sent out PBR and Squirt, damn….6

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior majrod Exactly a good old mud bath. Piss, vomit, blood and some local dirt. Get in the helo, made the crews eyes water….
    Damn, Squirt???? Of with there heads! Bastards

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 majrod  Thank God the helos Loved us!!  Else they would have left us out there, lol.  The DG’s would look at us and shake their heads and smile but you just Knew we smelled like shit!
    Yeah, we were ‘supposed’ to received two beers and two COKES per day, lol.  IF we got anything, which was most days, we got PBR and that grapefruit shit cause the REMF’s took our stuff.
    Whenever someone went back to Base they would grab all the Real stuff and bring it back out to us.  A few times the SgtMaj would come out and get pissed, “I’m gonna put a stop to this shit”, but it didn’t last long.  Hell, Grunts are Supposed to be shit on, it’s in our DNA, lol….6

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior majrod  You probably figured it out, but Most days we got zippo, lol….6

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior majrod Warm sandy water

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 majrod RR, hell, Starbucks hadn’t been invented!!
    Cool river water running down off the mountains, awww, full of mosquito larvae and Bacteria, lol.
    We got more ‘cool shit’ from the villes run by the Vietnamese black market, they had all the latest stuff, civvie as well as mil.. unreal….6

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior majrod Now THATS Grunt Life!

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 majrod  LOL, right along the thread with the Major’s new site, no OT here, lol…6

  • YankeePapa

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior majrod,
    .

    …I was assigned to unit in RVN for my first three weeks in 1969… then it was decided that the Regiment would soon be returned to CONUS as part of “Vietnamization…”  No way new meats like myself going home… They rotated in a bunch of short timers around the Colors and sent the rest of us on to other units.
    .
    …That first three weeks may have saved my life.  Great squad leader, on his second tour… demanded 100% but taught us FNGs everything that he could… didn’t allow short timers to screw with us… and he called us by our last names.  
    .
    …Shipped to new unit… Nobody wanted to show you anything… even if it got you killed… even if it got them killed.  After the first week it improved for me because I wound up with a mentor… but that is a story for another time.   
    YP

  • Recon6

    YankeePapa Recon6 ArcticWarrior majrod  How familiar YP.  Glad you received the first three weeks, otherwise….
    No one wanted to ‘know’ FNG’s or become too close with what was looming out there in the bush to shorten relationships.  Good thing, after that we became so darned Close to one another that nothing was too much to sacrifice for a team mate, nothing.  But Grunts All know that, just talking….6

  • Txazz

    shagstar I would say the same about you Shag.  Welcome!

  • TeufelshundeUSMC

    Recon6 YankeePapa ArcticWarrior
    I’m just an air-winger, but have always secretly wished to be grunt. Embracing the suck as well as this blog.

  • YankeePapa

    Infantry Songs:  Ludicrous and Sacred…

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X7JVUSI9Ss
      Johnny Willow
    Will,
    …Above
    is a song that needs a stake through its heart.  It was a “patriotic”
    song that somehow made it on rock music’s top 100 in various forms.  This is the original incarnation ca. 1960 sung by the writer and set in 1943.
    …The
    version that I heard as a kid was ca. 1961 and sung by an all girl
    group and set in Korea…  There is a Vietnam version by Frankie Laine…
    While I could listen to almost anything of his… to include a song about herding cats… I draw the line here. 
    …This is like the sniper scene in the German propaganda film in Inglorious Basterds… overdone to death.  “Bugles and Drums…” in a regimental charge… (In WW2… and later???)
    …On
    the other end of the spectrum… When I was a little kid I saw an
    Armstrong Circle Theater production on TV… drama about the last hour
    in the life of Roger Young.  He made Audie Murphy look like Charles
    Atlas.  His hearing and sight got so bad that he requested to be reduced from Sgt and squad leader to private… because he figured that he could no longer lead… 
    …Friend
    of mine waiting to go through jump school for the second time (broke his leg
    the first) ca. 1980.  He would later serve with the Airborne Rangers at
    Fort Lewis and then OCS.  He wrote me from jump
    school while recovering that jukebox there had “Roger Young”  as a
    simple ballad.  I have a copy on cassette somewhere of Burl Ives singing it. 
    …The attached recording is from West Point ca. 1959 and is more of a hymn in some ways.  Some pictures included. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MEJM0cboDg
    Roger Young
    YP

  • YankeePapa

    TeufelshundeUSMC Recon6 YankeePapa ArcticWarrior ,
    …Well lad, you know what they say, “If you’ve half a mind to join the infantry… that’s enough…”  

    YP

  • LauraKinCA

    YankeePapa   Thanks for posting both of those. Read a little more about Rodger Young after listening and the reason for being awarded the MoH… impressive young soldier.

  • YankeePapa BROTHER!!!
    I can’t type fast enough!
    THAT’s AN AWESOME SONG! (Johnny Willow)  It’s like Infantry rap!  LMAO! 

    I’ve got two sections coming that are information, commemorative and inspiration foucused.  They’s be called “GRUNTS” (Infantry focus) and “…And Co” which will be dedicated to those that typically accompany the Infantry in the fight or directly contribute to the close fight (medics, FO’s, Cbt engineers, Tankers, Cannon Cockers, K9, EOD, the CAS community).
    Anyway “Johnny Willow” is going into the media section.
    You know how to reach me.  I invite your work here anytime and hope I can draft you. 
    That was inspiring to an old war dog like me.

  • TeufelshundeUSMC Recon6 YankeePapa ArcticWarrior  
    I want to extend a special welcome to you, your community and those like you.  (Marines, aviators and CAS hold a special place in my personal pantheon of honor.)

    Gen. Bill Nash commanded my BDE in the gulf war.  I remember a couple of key and formative events as a young captain.  A particular incident that bears on the conversation was what he said to me on an impromptu visit to the motor pool.  (Leaders that just get out and visit the troops know their unit and their people, an often forgotten practice.)  I thought I was in trouble when one of my troops told me he was walking the line (I was the PL of a 120 maintenance platoon in an Infantry BN at the time).  I hurried out to find out what’s up.  One doesn’t let a senior walk around without an escort.  It’s both offensive to him and begging for trouble.
    Anyway, he was just out chatting with troops.  As we walked out of the motor pool he asked what problems I was having I vigorously explained the “challenges” I was having in getting parts and my “frustration” with the support BN.  He said something that stayed with me for the rest of my career.  “Will, everyone wants to be able to say they have a friend in the Infantry.  Use that.” 
    That little insight dramatically changed my perception and relationship with the support side of the house.  Later after we were deployed and had defeated the Republican Guard in Desert Storm I took a dufflebag full of captured Iraqi kit down to the support guys because I heard they were having a tough time getting souvenirs because us front line guys were pretty good at scarfing everything up.  Our relations had greatly improved by then but after that it was phenomenal.
    I’ve got two sections coming to the site that are information, commemorative and
    inspiration focused.  They’ll be called “GRUNTS” (Infantry focus) and
    “…And Co” which will be dedicated to those that typically accompany
    the Infantry in the fight or directly contribute to the close fight
    (medics, FO’s, Cbt engineers, Tankers, Cannon Cockers, K9, EOD, the CAS
    community).
    I hope you come to find this site a welcoming place because in the end it truly is “one fight”.

  • YankeePapa  
    Here’s the same song with a clip from “Band of Brothers’ for the visuals.
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    Fred Darian’s “Johnny Willow” Lyrics:

    Johnny Willow was a soldier
    In the U.S. Infantry
    And they sent him
    Off to battle in 1943
    Now Johnny had a girl back home
    Her name was Jenny May
    And he made a solemn promise
    That he’d write to her each day
    Was early Monday morning
    And the sun began to shine
    And Johnny thought he’d rest a while
    And drop his girl a line
    He took his pen and began to write
    My dearest darling, May
    And a shot rang out and he turned around
    And he heard somebody say
    The enemy’s coming up the hill
    There’s a thousand if there’s one
    A meaner bunch you’ve never seen
    Come on, we better run
    But Johnny jumped out to his feet
    He held the letter tight
    Come on, you dog faced soldiers
    We’re gonna stay and fight
    Well, he dropped his pen
    And he grabbed his gun
    And he said, I’ll show you
    How to get them on the run
    Then he started in a-running
    And a-shooting down the hill
    Come on, you men, just fire at will
    I’m gonna keep the promise
    That I made to Jenny May
    You can bet I’ll finish this letter
    And I’ll finish it today
    Well, the bullets were a-coming
    From as far as you could see
    The hill was alive with the charging
    But Johnny kept a-shooting
    A a-yelling just the same
    The more he kept a-shooting
    Well, the more and more they came
    Then he looked down at the letter
    Still held in his hand
    And he said, we won’t move back an inch
    We’re gonna make a stand
    Well, he looked around
    And his heart did pound
    When he saw his regiment holding ground
    Old Glory was a-flying
    And a-waving in the breeze
    Ain’t never been an enemy
    To bring her to her knees
    And we ain’t gonna let it happen
    Not now or ever more
    Besides, I got a letter to write
    And mail it out by four
    Well, the cannon was a-booming
    And the mortars were a-zooming
    And it looked the 4th of July
    And the hillwas a-burning
    But the battle was turning
    Cause I heard Johnny yell
    It’s do or die
    Now the regiment stepped forward
    Some hung their heads to pray
    Then Johnny held his gun up high
    And the charge was on it’s way
    Well, they ran down the hill
    Just a-shooting and a-yelling
    And mowing down the enemy
    As fast as I’m a-telling
    Like a river over rapids
    Just a-flowing and a-going
    While a drummer was a-drumming
    And a bugle was a-blowing
    Til the enemy was defeated
    And they ran with all their might
    From the brave young men
    With a letter in his hand
    And a carbine in his right
    Well, Johnny is a hero
    Johnny is a hero
    The regiment did claim
    Cause he led the way
    And he saved the day
    And he won for him, this fame
    Of a soldier without equal
    In the U.S. Infantry
    And it’s men like Johnny Willow
    That keep our country free

  • 5000area375

    That song is why I will always love the infantry on a near equal footing with special ops. I still hear the cadence ring in my head
    Up in the morning and outta the rack
    plt sgt on my back
    first sgt marches me off to chow
    and I don’t eat it any how.
    The cannons and artillery
    Queen of battle follow me
    This I tell you
    and this is true
    I love the sky and infantry blue.

  • LauraKinCA YankeePapa 
    You know the story of Rodger Young doesn’t get enough visibility.  He is the quinissential reason why I’ve always wanted to create a site like this.
    Rodger Wilton Young was a diminutive sized 5’2″ glasses wearing fella from Ohio.  He joined the Guard in 1940 concerned that he wouldn’t make the higher standards of the regular Army.  He rose to squad leader when his eyes and hearing started giving him trouble to the point that he felt he wasn’t capable of leading his men as they were alerted for deployment to the Pacific.  He asked to be busted back to private.  
    The command thought he was trying to get out of action but after investigating, found his physical issues were bad enough to get him sent to a field hospital where he would miss the landing in New Georgia.  Young successfully lobbied to go in with his unit.  
    During a 20 man recon patrol his unit was engaged by Japanese machine guns.  Pvt Young crawled forward as his unit was trying to withdraw while being pinned down. 
    Wounded in the initial burst, Young disregarded orders to withdraw believing the gun had to be silenced for his unit to withdraw.  As he crawled forward he was wounded a second time but kept on while also returning fire.  Once within hand grenade range, Young started throwing them and was hit a third time killing him.
    His one man assault drew enough fire and killed  enough enemy to allow his unit to withdraw.  He was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.  
    Besides having the night assault course (night course that features crawling through sand and mud under barb wire while a machine gun fires over your head) named after him, YP reminded me that Robert Heinlein named the troopship in his all time classic, Starship Troopers after Rodger Young.
    Rodger Wilton Young is the classic Infantry ideal I want to commemorate and celebrate.  The humble vanilla infantryman who, while not being considered among the most elite none the less demonstrates the greatest levels of valor and selflessness.

  • LauraKinCA

    majrod LauraKinCA YankeePapa  I look forward to regular articles about men like Rodger Young. I had never heard the story until YP brought it up. Always appreciate reading about men like him.

  • 5000area375 All credit to SOF but I feel the Infantry IS on an equal footing.  There are many things that SOF can do that the Infantry cannot and vice versa. 
    No doubt the individuals of SOF man for man are elite but there’s a certain uniqueness to the day in day out job the regular grunt does without the top of the line equipment, training, support and publicity SOF gets as a matter of course. 
    My intent is not to initiate a contest but foster a recognition of what the Infantry brings to the fight which has for much of our history been unrecognized.

  • YankeePapa

    majrod 5000area375,
    …All of the Navy SEALs in the world… for all their impressive capability… can’t stop one North Korean division on their own.  Not a criticism… You don’t try to chop down a redwood with a straight razor… no matter how sharp.  
    YP

  • 5000area375

    No it is no contest. When you are caught in an ambush, have a chance combat, are in a mout environment it all breaks down to the base of combat and that is and always will be infantry. When we enter rooms we have more bells and whistle besides more cqb appropriate weapons it isn’t a whole lot different than the guys in WWII or Hue or panama.
    I would not want to detract from the infantry in any way. I hope I did not come across that way. The infantry proved their worth in every conflict over the existence of man.

  • TeufelshundeUSMC

    majrod TeufelshundeUSMC Recon6 YankeePapa ArcticWarrior
    Thanks for the welcome, YP & majrod! I expect great things from this blog. Frankly, I’m surprised it’s taken so long for a “conventional” forces type site.
    As a fan of Tom Clancy and Ludlum books, I’ve read them all, but always thought highly of regular folks for doing regular stuff. 
    GWOT’s side effect will always be the ubiquitous SOF hype–bad for them, bad for us, bad for everyone all together. Back in the shadows is the best place.
    I agree with you with them souvenirs, my old buddy dug up one of those road reflectors, with official Iraqi seal and writings in Arabic, and I framed it and hung up in the work room.
    As for your blog,
    “You can resist an invading army; you cannot resist an idea whose time has come.”
    I hope I can expect articles from the 11Boos and 0311 above;-)

  • TeufelshundeUSMC

    5000area375 YankeePapa 
    There’s also this fallacy that the best are only found within SOF troops. Wrong. They are everywhere in the military. There’re individuals like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donn_F._Draeger, everywhere.

  • 5000area375

    Absolutely infantry rescued the rescuers in panama, marine infantry helped the seals in Grenada. Very little is possible without infantry. If faced with a disciplined professional military division you better have some infantry.

  • 5000area375 I’ve seen you post often enough on SOFREP to be sure you meant no offense.
    I’m just addressing the widely held premise.

  • YankeePapa majrod 5000area375 great metaphor

  • ArcticWarrior

    With all the talk of legends maybe you could have a weekly throwback piece on guys like CSM Basil Plumley (THE most Infantryman in the world) to shine a little light on the guys who paved the way and whose bootprints would be hard to fill. Just throwing ideas….

  • LauraKinCA

    ArcticWarrior  That would be great!

  • steelhorse

    There are alot of guys behind the scenes in any effort can’t wait to here more about them u got a good start can’t wait to see more an watch it grow

  • ArcticWarrior 
     I think that would be a great idea!  I’ll be accepting submissions for review…  🙂
    I’ll do as much as I can.  Plan on doing something for a personal favorite, Audie Murphy.

  • ArcticWarrior

    http://policelink.monster.com/nfs/policelink/photos/0272/3807/SGM-Basil-Plumley-65.jpg_max600.jpg?1350001219
    CIB- 3rd Award, Master Parachutist Badge with five Combat Jump Stars …

  • shagstar
  • steelhorse

    Wasn’t sgtmaj plumley the one who was with Col Moore in the Vietnam highlands that Col Moore wrote the book about and they made into the movie we were soldiers (I think Moore proper title is Gen now)

  • ArcticWarrior

    steelhorse Yes CSM Plumley was at Ia Drang with Lt. Gen Moore. Gen. Moore is still alive at 91.

  • YankeePapa

    steelhorse,
    Hal Moore retired as a Lt. General… and at last report was pretty healthy for a man of 91…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Moore
    YP

  • TeufelshundeUSMC

    ArcticWarrior steelhorse Recon6 YankeePapa 
    I’d personally want more coverage of these historical regular Army personalities through out history. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Eaton_(soldier), “from the shore of Tripoli”, but not so popular among Marines and Army.
    Other not so famous early examples, where different branches, different MOS’s, worked together. Am a big fan of the Culper Ring when History Channel had a couple of documentaries out.
    Also, does the Army have a Tun Tavern? Marines have been making demi-gods as far back as the Independence War, are there Army equivalents? Why the lack of myth-making & hero-making? Or am I just wrong in this? 

    History’s really big in the Marines, but I’ve noticed not so in other branches. That’s a valid subject worth a closer look.

  • YankeePapa

    TeufelshundeUSMC ArcticWarrior steelhorse Recon6 YankeePapa,
     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tun_Tavern
    .

    …Stop me if you’ve heard this one…  First day of recruiting outside Tun Tavern… line of potential recruits… First one picks up a coin off the drum-head, signs his name, and is directed inside.
    .

    …As directed, the barman sits the lad at a table and gives him a mug of beer and a shot of rum.  Moments later a second lad directed to the table… is given a mug of beer.
    .
    “…Where’s your shot of rum?”
    “…They didn’t give me one…”
    “…Odd, back in the “Old Corps” they served up a shot of rum…”
    YP
    USMC 1968-70
    0311

  • steelhorse

    YankeePapa steelhorse yp aw I have the dvd of we were soldiers i thought i had seen the picture before it was in the bio section on the dvd it’s a story of great men under great leadership the fact that any of them ever left that valley under their own power is a testiment to that. There has to be many more storys out there the are just forgoten peices of war maybe some can be remembered here.(side note that battle began sunday nov 14 1965 the day i was born )

  • TeufelshundeUSMC

    YankeePapa TeufelshundeUSMC ArcticWarrior steelhorse Recon6 
    Hahahhahahahahahaahah…. That was hilarious! 
    Here’s a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu-NuYEh7fo from a couple of year back, I thought embodies grunts (1 of 3, watch the 3 videos).

  • YankeePapa

    steelhorse YankeePapa,
    …There will be many more stories here… watch this space…
    YP

  • ArcticWarrior

    steelhorse YankeePapa Many stories from Trenton, Tarawa, X-Ray, Hue, Bastogne, Iwo, Ramadi. Lets not let them be forgotten.
    Guys like Plumley could say  “Custer was a pussy. You ain’t.” to the CO. How much more American can you get then that?
     I always though CSM Plumley was who Duvall’s Col Kilgore was based on, the scene with the mortars going off all around him on the beach, and everyone is ducking and hitting the deck, and he is just standing like its just another day at work, that’s all Plumley.

  • YankeePapa

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB240XZ96EM
    …In
    WWI the Australians and the New Zealanders (“Anzac s”) were most
    stupidly wasted by the British at Gallipoli (Turkey, European side) and
    Suvla Bay.  Details of the campaign below… and info re the excellent
    film. 
    …You may remember that a “Matilda” is like a pack that
    hangs loose and swings (a “waltzing Matilda”)  Song re the memories of a
    very old Australian veteran of Gallipoli.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_%281981_film%29
    YP

  • LauraKinCA

    YankeePapa  I really liked that movie and just thinking about it now can remember how much the last scene affected me.

  • YankeePapa

    LauraKinCA YankeePapa,
    …There were a number of films about how badly the fine Australian troops were misused by the British.  There was one film about how they got a chance to show what they could do when not commanded by donkeys… 
    .
    …In WWI in the Palestine campaign Australian mounted infantry charged Beersheba and captured the vital wells from Turkish troops.  Many brilliant moves on their part… and bad assumptions on the part of the Turks caused their casualties charging artillery and machine guns to be fantastically light.
    .
    …There was a film made called, “The Light Horsemen…”  Unfortunately the only DVDs out there *really* bad Asian copies.  
    YP

  • BSchroe

    Just found this website . Outstanding !
    I have been interested in infantry for a long time . I was a Marine infantryman in Vietnam . And I had a subscription to the Army Infantry Journal which was passed around and read . First I had ever heard of LRRPs ( the ration and the recon unit ), the M 203 and the ‘ clover leaf ‘ .
    Thanks Grunts and Co

  • ArcticWarrior

    The God-Damned Infantry
    Now to the infantry – the God-damned infantry, as they like to call themselves.
    I love the infantry because they are the underdogs. They are the mud-rain-frost-and-wind boys. They have no comforts, and they even learn to live without the necessities. And in the end they are the guys that wars can’t be won without.
    I wish you could see just one of the ineradicable pictures I have in my mind today. In this particular picture I am sitting among clumps of sword-grass on a steep and rocky hillside that we have just taken. We are looking out over a vast rolling country to the rear.
    A narrow path comes like a ribbon over a hill miles away, down a long slope, across a creek, up a slope and over another hill.
    All along the length of this ribbon there is now a thin line of men. For four days and nights they have fought hard, eaten little, washed none, and slept hardly at all. Their nights have been violent with attack, fright, butchery, and their days sleepless and miserable with the crash of artillery.
    The men are walking. They are fifty feet apart, for dispersal. Their walk is slow, for they are dead weary, as you can tell even when looking at them from behind. Every line and sag of their bodies speaks their inhuman exhaustion.
    On their shoulders and backs they carry heavy steel tripods, machine-gun barrels, leaden boxes of ammunition. Their feet seem to sink into the ground from the overload they are bearing.
    They don’t slouch. It is the terrible deliberation of each step that spells out their appalling tiredness. Their faces are black and unshaven. They are young men, but the grime and whiskers and exhaustion make them look middle-aged.
    In their eyes as they pass is not hatred, not excitement, not despair, not the tonic of their victory – there is just the simple expression of being here as though they had been here doing this forever, and nothing else.
    The line moves on, but it never ends. All afternoon men keep coming round the hill and vanishing eventually over the horizon. It is one long tired line of antlike men.
    *
    There is an agony in your heart and you almost feel ashamed to look at them. They are just guys from Broadway and Main Street, but you wouldn’t remember them. They are too far away now. They are too tired. Their world can never be known to you, but if you could see them just once, just for an instant, you would know that no matter how hard people work back home they are not keeping pace with these infantrymen in Tunisia.
    – Ernie Pyle, Tunisia 1943

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior  Excellent, Thanks…..6

  • ArcticWarrior  and so goes one of the key differences between the Infantry and every other branch.  Thanks for posting.  I hope the site informs those that don’t know…

  • YankeePapa

    .
     …Also known as “PBI”, Poor Bloody Infantry…  Infantry often has to go without… The worst of this is when somebody in an air conditioned office decides that they can carry 80 lbs or more but really don’t need ……….(fill in the blanks…)
    .
    …In the British Army in WWII, somebody at the top of the supply chain decided that British soldiers could get by on three squares of toilet paper a day…
    YP

  • Recon6

    YankeePapa Once upon a time the most Valuable item in an SP Pak was TP and the Pogues never took it because they did Not need it, lol, but we sure as hell did….6

  • YankeePapa

    Recon6 YankeePapa
    .

    …Few times we got cases of Cs that had been pilfered… all sliced beef and gravy gone, all spaghetti & meatballs gone, etc… All cans either Ham chopped, water added and eggs (dog food) or Ham chopped, water added and Lima beans  (H&MFs).  REMFs didn’t eat rations so they were trading or selling.
    .
    …Machine gunner named Dutch that we had… got a tooth pulled.  While back there he paid a night time visit to responsible party… Dutch looked like death on steroids.  No blood, no broken bones… just a few words.  Next morning guy found a grenade in his desk drawer… pin in… just a reminder. 

    …Our cases got to us unmolested after that… 

    YP

  • 5000area375

    I remember driving a Bn Cdr from the Iraqi to the rear in damman or Daharan Saudi Arabia seeing all the desert camo vest covers and desert boots on the REMFS. None of the infantry units passed had them. We were all equipped with nice woodland patterned k vest and of course the woodland mopp suit. Plus the only T-RAT we got was chicken skatchatorie! I still hate that stuff and for long stretches we didn’t have anything more than drinking water.

  • steelhorse

    Yp I bet that guy needed more than 4 squares of tp when he opened that drawer LOL

  • YankeePapa

    5000area375,
    …In RVN the first boots with metal insoles (protection from punji stakes) available to REMFs… then black market… and only then to troops.  Later, same with camo issue…
    YP

  • Recon6

    YankeePapa Recon6 Yep, Ham & MF’ers had to be the worst.  Chicken/Noodles with chz added was my fave, and beans/franks were ok.
    When LRRP rations were finally issued it changed our World, lol, but many times they were pilfered prior to arriving at the Firebases.  Fortunately we were given cases of C’s prior to a mission and took what we wanted.  Only thing, C’s came in Cans!!  Usually took a couple of cans and tossed the rest and used the ‘space’ for bullets.
    Dutch sounds like a Badass!!  Too bad we couldn’t have ‘borrowed’ him, lol, we Needed someone like that….6

  • 5000area375

    During gulf 1 we had a sporadic engagement in the morning after the fight as we were waiting for the Bn to regroup ( we got separated because the MSR was so muddy). So while we were waiting we went to look for souvenirs. There were the bulldozed horseshoe berms all over with vehicles in them. I decided to check a vehicle. I walk over to a car and see the windows rolled up being an American from the city I figure it is locked, being 22 and having seen too many movies I decide to kick the window out. I rare back and kick the window and my brace foot shoots out from under me because the loose dirt, causing me to bust my ass and look stupid. After that I got the bright idea to check and see if the door was locked. I was in luck it was unlocked. When I opened the door right on the GD MF floor board is an American grenade with the pin pulled. If I didn’t have pucker factor so tight I would have shit. Then I noticed the the stupid bastard who threw it in there didn’t pop the safety clip. I have never felt a high so high or laughed so hard in my life.

  • YankeePapa

    Recon6 YankeePapa,
    “Chicken/Noodles with chz added…”…Never got that one in 1969…
     .
    … In Africa we got what were called “rat-packs…”  Odd stuff… soft metal tube of butter… little bag of rice… tins of what probably used to be called “bully beef” only fit for tamping for explosives… Tins of stuff like Spam, which was better.
    .

    …Sometimes tinned burgers.  Favorite item Cashel Valley mandarin oranges.  Sometimes tinned “pilchards…” (think giant sardines…)  I viewed as only fit for poisoning wells, but lads in units eager to get… would trade two drink powder mixes…
    YP

  • Recon6

    YankeePapa Recon6 My bad bubba, the chz was added from the chz and crackers pack to make it all edible, lol.
    Y’all got some ‘crap’ in Africa, wow.  I can’t stand sardines!  Rice is good food anywhere.  Spam, na da !!  Sounds like Grunts always end up eating anything available regardless of the AO!  Tabasco made things palatable but I cannot stand the stuff today, go figure….6

  • ArcticWarrior

    YankeePapa Recon6 The Evil Pork Patty..or… Ham and Egg Omlet ….in fact anything “Ham” with the ham slime and congealed god knows what. The “Ham” MRE’s were easy to spot because the bag would swell from the bacteria. Then again anything with “Patty” …..

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 YankeePapa 6 somethings are so evil even Tabasco and cheese spread cant save them…..

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior YankeePapa Recon6  Wait AW, I once knew a really Hot Patty !! 
    Pork patty in congealed slime, lol, they still have that??  They Never seem to learn..6

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 YankeePapa  LOL, TRUE !!…6

  • YankeePapa

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior YankeePapa,
    “I once knew a really Hot Patty !! ”  Cheap joke… worse, was my ex-wife’s name.  Married two years, two months, twenty days too long…(not that I was counting…) early to mid ’70s.
    YP

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior YankeePapa They had vegetarian meals too…that was a fate nearly as bad …
    We had MCW’s which were freeze dried which killed the taste. Now you were supposed to reconstitute them with water and the pouch heater…..

  • Recon6

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 YankeePapa  No shit Veggie meals??
    Damn, y’all had it Made bro, lol.  As for MCW’s sounds like LRRPs, just add water, but downside was Water was so precious and we Never had any to spare.  Had to go down in the valley to find water and that meant trouble…often just ate em ‘crunchy’ style with ‘spit’, lol….6

  • Recon6

    YankeePapa Recon6 ArcticWarrior  LOL, sorry brother, yeah, you weren’t counting, but still…damn, I’ve had a couple of those too….6

  • YankeePapa

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 YankeePapa, 
    …I got exposed to MRE’s (Meals Rejected by Everybody) ca. 2005 when recruited as cadet instructor.  I started packing teriyaki flavored beef jerky.  For a time I got good stuff at $2. a lb.
    YP

  • Recon6

    YankeePapa ArcticWarrior Recon6  Now ‘jerky’ would have worked for us!!
    Saw yesterday some pro golfer is producing ‘King Jerky’ using Premium flank steak and selling it, great idea….6

  • YankeePapa

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 YankeePapa,
    See my reply re Lurps…
    YP

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 ArcticWarrior YankeePapa Exactly water is too precious to waste on that crap, just eat it dry.
    Always was one guy who could create these frankenchrist things like Ranger Pudding, Ranger Pizza….you learn to lift the condiment packs from every fast food place you eat at. Afterall everything tastes better with Tabasco…..
    But Menu #2 – The Jamaican Pork Chop with noodles …..

  • ArcticWarrior

    Recon6 YankeePapa ArcticWarrior Elk or Bison jerky prepared right…heaven

  • clluelo

    I have both:)

  • YankeePapa

    .
    …Between the early 1980s and 1996 I used to put out a newsletter… until everybody having a PC rendered it unnecessary.  Articles, comics, cartoons, poems,  Two of my contributors… male and female Marine Reservists (need to remain anonymous even now…) wrote the song posted below.  
    .
    …While Long Range Patrol Rations were the proper LRPS, when MREs first issued some called them that.  Quickly corrected, but the couple writing this… I’m not sure which they were writing about… but I caught the drift. To the tune of “When Johnny Comes Marching Home…”
    .

    LRPS,:
    …When Johnny comes marching up the trail…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …We know that nausea will prevail… in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …For the rats will flee and the dogs will gag
    …At every whif of what’s in the bag
    …And morale will sag… when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    …You open the pouch and close your eyes…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …So every meal’s a big surprise …in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …It’s not intended as human food.
    …You try to serve ’em and you’ll be sued
    …And you know you’re screwed…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    …The entree comes in a wrinkled brick…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …You add hot water and eat it quick…in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …For the pork is yellow, the chicken’s green
    …Like nothing living you’ve ever seen
    …And it’s real obscene…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    ..The littler sack contains a treat…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …Hor dourves to make your meal complete…in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …There’s tissue wrapped in a fetal bend
    …Should anything get to the other end
    …Then your piles will rend…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    …The coffee’s enough to boil your blood…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …Like battery acid mixed with mud…in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …The cocoa barely can be withstood
    …The chocolate’s wax and the cereal’s wood.
    …And it’s no damn good…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    …I’ve heard it said that war is hell…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …The way they look, the way they smell…in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …They taste too wretched for me to bear
    …I’d get more nourshisment chewing air
    …You can have my share…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    YP

  • YankeePapa

    Recon6 YankeePapa,
    …Pilchards (as served in Rat-packs about three times the length of sardines… 
    .

     “The terms sardine and pilchard are not precise, and what is meant depends on the region. The United Kingdom’s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Fish_Industry_Authority, for example, classifies sardines as young pilchards.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardine#cite_note-seafish-5 One criterion suggests fish shorter in length than 6 inches (15 cm) are sardines, and larger ones pilchards.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardine#cite_note-6
     YP

  • YankeePapa

    Recon6 YankeePapa, 
    …Re Tabasco… When I was in RVN, you could write to the company that made it and they would send you a tiny bottle and a recipe book.  Skipper (company commander) wrote and they sent enough for the entire company…
    .

     http://www.1stcavmedic.com/tabasco_cookbook.htm
    .
    …I don’t use the stuff myself , but the book still good.  Only recipe that I can still remember after 43 years is “beef burgoo.”  I found a copy of the book on line re 1st Cavalry site… and as the heading says… it should be remembered that the Mcillhenny company supported the troops. 
    YP

  • 5000area375

    The art of the pork patty was to make a pizza. Take the powdered ketchup add some water smear on the teeth breaking cracker, add the cheese the add the hydrated pork patty broken into small chunks was fine dining for grunts.

  • YankeePapa

    ArcticWarrior Recon6 YankeePapa,
    .

    …In Rhodesia, until marxists took over… elephant herds pretty much safe from poachers.  Sometimes had to cull some of the herd.  I remember seeing elephant jerky on sale at 10 cents (would be 16 cents U.S.) a pound.  I think that the money went towards compensating natives for wildlife damage to crops. 
    YP

  • YankeePapa

    ArcticWarrior YankeePapa Recon6,
    …Tried to post this but doesn’t show.  Try again:
    .

    …Between the early 1980s and 1996 I used to put out a newsletter…
    until everybody having a PC rendered it unnecessary.  Articles, comics,
    cartoons, poems,  Two of my contributors… male and female Marine
    Reservists (need to remain anonymous even now…) wrote the song posted
    below.  
    .
    …While Long Range Patrol Rations were the
    proper LRPS, when MREs first issued some called them that.  Quickly
    corrected, but the couple writing this… I’m not sure which they were
    writing about… but I caught the drift. To the tune of “When Johnny
    Comes Marching Home…”
    .

    LRPS,:
    …When Johnny comes marching up the trail…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …We know that nausea will prevail… in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …For the rats will flee and the dogs will gag
    …At every whiff of what’s in the bag
    …And morale will sag… when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    …You open the pouch and close your eyes…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …So every meal’s a big surprise …in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …It’s not intended as human food.
    …You try to serve ’em and you’ll be sued
    …And you know you’re screwed…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    …The entree comes in a wrinkled brick…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …You add hot water and eat it quick…in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …For the pork is yellow, the chicken’s green
    …Like nothing living you’ve ever seen
    …And it’s real obscene…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    ..The littler sack contains a treat…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …Hor dourves to make your meal complete…in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …There’s tissue wrapped in a fetal bend
    …Should anything get to the other end
    …Then your piles will rend…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    …The coffee’s enough to boil your blood…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …Like battery acid mixed with mud…in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …The cocoa barely can be withstood
    …The chocolate’s wax and the cereal’s wood.
    …And it’s no damn good…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.
    .
    …I’ve heard it said that war is hell…with LRP’s, with LRP’s
    …The way they look, the way they smell…in LRP’s, in LRP’s
    …They taste too wretched for me to bear
    …I’d get more nourishment chewing air
    …You can have my share…when Johnny brings up the LRP’s.YP

  • 5000area375

    You guys are making me want to go chase down an MRE beef slice with BBQ gut bomb sauce, throw in a a handful of dirt, and sit for some exquisite dinning while being eaten alive by Mosquitos that sound like fighter jets, with crotch rot and prickly heat and wash it all down with iodine flavored monkey shit water. God damn it , left out an ass full of black palm for the crown:) How could that be a fond memory. Still brings a smile. It does not get any better than that.

  • YankeePapa

    5000area375,
    “… being eaten alive by Mosquitoes…”  
    .
    …My biggest problem was flies… not just on the food, but for some insane reason, trying to provide an honor guard into my mouth with the food… 
    YP

  • Recon6

    YankeePapa ArcticWarrior Recon6  LOL, never heard that before, but well said….6

  • Recon6

    5000area375  LOL, makes one Homesick for times gone bye!!  Mosquitoes, and toss in a handful of leeches feasting on your blood and we have a damned Reunion….6

  • Tango9

    YankeePapa5000area375Still have my pair.